| 11 Aug 2025 |
 emily | if a substantial number of the people involved in operating the current Matrix setup (mod team, infra team) were in favour then I'm guessing the SC would be happy to sign off on it | 18:02:07 |
 Charles | makes sense | 18:02:20 |
| emily | perhaps with a public beta period or something | 18:02:25 |
| emily | I have relatively little experience with Zulip, so you may already know everything you need to know from your own use | 18:02:43 |
| emily | but I think moderation tooling is a big question | 18:02:48 |
| emily | and I don't know the exact needs of the mod team in that regard | 18:02:56 |
| emily | hmm does that ❌️ mean anything important? probably fine to tag the release anyway! | 18:04:06 |
| emily | can always roll a .3! | 18:04:22 |
| emily | oh they cancelled the jobs I guess | 18:04:47 |
| emily | so maybe the latest run will actually pass if they're lucky | 18:05:04 |
| Charles | lmao | 18:06:52 |
| Charles | yeah the plan for my instance is to require admin approval for signups via sso, so this is less of a problem for me in particular, but definitely important for a use case like nixos | 18:07:39 |
| Charles | so i haven't explored the available tools yet | 18:07:51 |
| emily | right | 18:08:00 |
| emily | well if uep is still interested and you feel like putting work into poking at stuff then I encourage you to | 18:08:19 |
| Charles | i think i'm going to be pretty busy over the next few weeks before i can start doing much about this aside from like investigating the state of zulip moderation tooling | 18:13:41 |
| emily | well maybe we'll get lucky and the Matrix will explode before that point | 18:14:08 |
| emily | like how Andrew Lee brought us to this cursed platform in the first place | 18:14:18 |
| Charles | lol | 18:14:53 |
| Charles | i mean i think matrix at least still has value for private rooms | 18:15:15 |
| Charles | public rooms not so much though | 18:15:21 |
 @lotte:chir.rs | In reply to @zhaofeng:zhaofeng.li
they are fixing it live it seems: https://github.com/element-hq/synapse/compare/v1.135.1...v1.135.2 “please pay for our software that probably has the same shit QA” | 18:15:39 |
| @lotte:chir.rs | * “please pay for the pro version of our software that probably has the same shit QA” | 18:15:47 |
 Gnuxie 💜🐝 | i don't see how that's true | 18:15:59 |
| emily | freenode imploding was what took NixOS from "considering a move to Matrix, there's a drawn-out RFC, who knows what will happen" to "guess we're moving to Matrix literally Right Now" | 18:16:38 |
| emily | (as I recall. it was years ago, so my memory could be fuzzy. I do know that the NixOS IRC channels were alive and well right up until The Events transpired.) | 18:17:09 |
 Cat | Tbh in my view while Lee is a villan he did achive a great public service. | 18:17:40 |
| emily | IIRC, it was that or Libera and the judgement call to go all-in on the Matrix switch was made | 18:17:42 |
| emily | I thought it a good idea at the time; in retrospect, I'd rather have had Libera | 18:17:58 |
| Cat | made everyone wake up to that if your community doesnt control its infra and said infra is irreplaceable the damage can be fucking extreme. | 18:18:11 |
