| 19 Jul 2025 |
 K900 | But it's also an entirely unnecessary dance that you have to do AND you have to rotate keys everywhere AND none of this would have been a problem had the identity been tied to the actual keys | 15:49:29 |
| K900 | But good luck retrofitting that to Discord API I guess | 15:49:36 |
 @magic_rb:matrix.redalder.org | I will also point out, the network effect. Part of the reason why matrix is at all usable is because it has been around for ages, its federated and a lot of people are on it. Making a new protocol, while i get the reasons, will fragment things more, require new bridges to discord and yada yada | 15:53:38 |
| @magic_rb:matrix.redalder.org | So personally im not in support of new protocol efforts that much | 15:53:49 |
| @magic_rb:matrix.redalder.org | But i also dont know what im talking about, got no experience with this stuff. So ill leave it to more competent people | 15:54:16 |
 QuadRadical (Ping) | sure, but these bridges will come if the protocl is good | 15:55:04 |
| QuadRadical (Ping) | theoretically discord bots may work with not too many changes, since the api is compatible | 15:55:19 |
| K900 | that's OK we'll fragment matrix real fucking soon | 15:55:28 |
| QuadRadical (Ping) | this room probably isnt the best place for this discussion though | 15:55:32 |
| @magic_rb:matrix.redalder.org | In reply to @quadradical:federated.nexus
theoretically discord bots may work with not too many changes, since the api is compatible The bridges will come if someone writes them and the best bridges happen to be from a company, specifically beeper | 15:55:57 |
| QuadRadical (Ping) | does beeper make the mautrix bridges | 15:56:19 |
| @magic_rb:matrix.redalder.org | In reply to @quadradical:federated.nexus
theoretically discord bots may work with not too many changes, since the api is compatible You need a app service like api, you cant do it with just a normal client api | 15:56:20 |
| @magic_rb:matrix.redalder.org | In reply to @quadradical:federated.nexus
does beeper make the mautrix bridges Yes | 15:56:25 |
| QuadRadical (Ping) | yeah, i think thats planned as well | 15:56:28 |
| QuadRadical (Ping) | ah interesting | 15:56:31 |
| @magic_rb:matrix.redalder.org | So me being on matrix is directly attributed to beeper and element. Idk if i like it, but it is what it is... | 15:57:05 |
 Cat | I will say that i kinda might be to blame for one wave of the thinking that went into creating a Fed API for spacebar even tho as far as i remember the work we are talking about comes way later and they as far as i remember had never heard of my ramblings on the topic. | 15:57:40 |
| Cat | Tho i did talk about that before knowing how much of a shitshow discord is API wise | 15:58:15 |
 @emma:rory.gay | being a discord-ish model was the entire point | 19:53:33 |
| @emma:rory.gay | no | 19:54:59 |
| @emma:rory.gay | they should in theory be compatible without any changes whatsoever, similar to how an official Discord(R) Client(TM) works on spacebar without patching | 19:55:43 |
 emily | surely you need to at least patch the server URL | 19:57:08 |
| @emma:rory.gay | yes but that's not actually part of the client | 19:57:20 |
| @emma:rory.gay | that's all neatly defined in a single script tag in the <head> of index.html | 19:57:40 |
| emily | putting a ton of engineering effort into a greenfield federated chat protocol … to use with Discord clients is weird to me | 19:57:46 |
| emily | like I get people liking Discord's UX and that clients are a lot of work but… if you're putting that much development effort in… | 19:58:14 |
| @emma:rory.gay | the irony is that we cant even ship their client for it, and their desktop client is just a dummy web app wrapper | 19:58:44 |
| emily | why tie it to an API and client designed by a company inherently hostile to what you're doing that will never be match how your actual protocol works | 19:58:51 |
| emily | and that will skew all the work you put in to the actual protocol | 19:59:27 |
| emily | just very odd imo | 19:59:33 |
