| 26 May 2021 |
 raboof | https://reproducible-builds.org/contribute/nixos/ - feel free to improve further via https://salsa.debian.org/reproducible-builds/reproducible-website :) | 10:15:00 |
 andi- | I could either get glibc to build with the GCC or glibc but never both :D | 10:15:05 |
| andi- | * I could either get glibc to build with the GCC or GCC but never both :D | 10:15:23 |
| andi- | At least it allowed me to test building using dash and oil shell which showed that you can't build oilshell with oilshell just yet :D | 10:16:06 |
 Gytis Ivaskevicius | Also, check out ion shell, its pretty cool | 10:17:04 |
| andi- | I abandoned my experiments after basically spending 4 weeks full time on that stuff (on various areas). | 10:18:10 |
| andi- | I also explored alternatives to callPackage and such. Eventually rewriting patch-shebangs in C++ to avoid that massive slowness the bash version in nixpkgs has. | 10:18:35 |
| Gytis Ivaskevicius | ah yes, another little annoyence in nixpkgs that feels like tech debt: Everything uses bash 4.x even tho bash 5 is out | 10:20:05 |
| andi- | IIRC it was tried at the time but it broke things in wild ways. | 10:20:40 |
| andi- | Too many advanced bashishms in use.. | 10:20:50 |
| andi- | Ideally we would get rid of those but I doubt people want to write more verbose (and hacky?) shell scripts instead. | 10:21:11 |
| andi- | In my opinion we should be writing more small C/python/lisp/... programs to take care of whatever bash monsters are currently doing. Problem is that it would not compose as well as a bunch of bash that shares "global" variables... | 10:22:00 |
| Gytis Ivaskevicius | would be cool to replace bash with something more modern | 10:22:11 |
| Gytis Ivaskevicius | python is not really an option tho | 10:22:19 |
| Gytis Ivaskevicius | big dependency | 10:22:23 |
| andi- | glibc already depends on python... | 10:22:56 |
| Gytis Ivaskevicius | different shell would be nice. nu shell and ion shell seem to be like solid options | 10:23:18 |
| Gytis Ivaskevicius | In reply to @andi:kack.it
glibc already depends on python... ahh, thats fun. But it is not a runtime dependency | 10:23:47 |
| andi- | Yeah they have some build scripts that invoke it. I believe they are doing some code generation from syscall tables or such | 10:24:09 |
| Gytis Ivaskevicius | Also python would probably slow things down | 10:24:20 |
| andi- | tbh I think one of the reasons nixpkgs is successful is due to bash. | 10:24:24 |
 Jonas Chevalier | The macOS libc used to have a runtime dependency on perl | 10:24:41 |
| Gytis Ivaskevicius | In reply to @andi:kack.it
tbh I think one of the reasons nixpkgs is successful is due to bash. what do you mean? | 10:24:41 |
| andi- | The majority of people are "familiar" (to a degree of writing conditionals and assigning vars) with it | 10:24:48 |
| Gytis Ivaskevicius | ahh | 10:24:57 |
| Gytis Ivaskevicius | Feel free to go over the docs, im sure you peeps will find atleast few things that you like https://doc.redox-os.org/ion-manual/html/ | 10:25:38 |
| Gytis Ivaskevicius | it has proper arrays and stuff | 10:25:42 |
| andi- | If you now switch that to some estoteric-ish language you'll exclude some people due to raising the barrier for contribution... While I still think that someone that learns Nix properly shouldn't have an issue writing either python / osh / ... | 10:25:48 |
| Gytis Ivaskevicius | Also this looks like a very solid alternative to more serious scripts (perl/python) https://deno.land/ | 10:26:25 |
| andi- | O.O | 10:26:35 |
