| 5 Jun 2021 |
 toonn | And that's only reliably true for the Stackage subset. | 12:54:52 |
 maralorn | toonn: And for everything that we actively maintain. | 12:55:55 |
| toonn | Maybe. I don't know whether anyone does build matrices comparing to all of stackage? | 12:57:03 |
| toonn | And my original point still stands. If you are the kind of dev that always wants the latest GHC, the infra isn't really for you. | 12:57:45 |
| maralorn | In reply to @toonn:matrix.org
And my original point still stands. If you are the kind of dev that always wants the latest GHC, the infra isn't really for you. Yeah, that is certainly true. | 12:58:16 |
| maralorn | In reply to @toonn:matrix.org
Maybe. I don't know whether anyone does build matrices comparing to all of stackage? I am not certain what you mean with that. | 12:58:48 |
 Las | I personally just want GHC 9 because of improved aarch64 support | 12:58:55 |
| maralorn | Las: I am eager to get it, too. I hope it will be soon. | 12:59:28 |
 cdepillabout | toonn: I'm not sure what you're trying to compare when you're talking about stackage vs nixpkgs. Nixpkgs generally has about 6000 haskell packages building, while stackage only has about 3000. There is really no comparison. | 13:01:20 |
| toonn | cdepillabout: That's all well and good until you try to depend on more than one at the same time. | 13:01:55 |
| toonn | Jailbreaking isn't a good option. | 13:02:11 |
| cdepillabout | toonn: Ah, you mean depend on more than one version of GHC? | 13:02:24 |
| toonn | When I used the infra I had to jailbreak and disable tests constantly. Felt like maintaining my own tiny stackage. | 13:02:55 |
| toonn | No, just packages. | 13:03:02 |
| toonn | Especially if you need a newer version of anything. | 13:03:28 |
| cdepillabout | That's definitely not how I feel at all. | 13:03:39 |
| toonn | You lose all the support instantly. | 13:03:43 |
| cdepillabout | I mean, really you should have been upstreaming stuff. | 13:03:52 |
 sterni (he/him) | part of the pain has been lessened by stackage nightly | 13:04:00 |
| sterni (he/him) | and yeah a big problem is I think ppl having an overlay in their dev environment and not contributing fixes back | 13:04:18 |
| cdepillabout | * I mean, really you should have been upstreaming those jailbreaks and dontChecks. | 13:04:21 |
| toonn | No, I don't think package updates should be upstreamed, especially when, as in my case, they require bumping a ton of deps from the stackage versions. | 13:04:51 |
| toonn | It'd unnecessarily break things for others. That's exactly why depending on Stackage is nice. | 13:05:14 |
| cdepillabout | No, you really should upstream fixes to Nixpkgs. | 13:05:27 |
| cdepillabout | You could at least unbreak the foobar_x_y_z version of the packages. | 13:05:55 |
| maralorn | Well, if it includes manually bumping stackage packages, I am not sure. | 13:05:58 |
| toonn | I think you're not hearing what I'm saying. The "fix" is just needing a newer version. | 13:06:02 |
| toonn | And that newer version needs newer versions of other packages. | 13:06:12 |
| cdepillabout | We have the newest versions of all Haskell packages in Nixpkgs. | 13:06:25 |
| toonn | Which aren't necessarily compatible with the rest of Stackage. | 13:06:26 |
