| 23 May 2021 |
 Las | No actually it's great in that case | 17:48:26 |
 samueldr | if the person is not learning the underlying operating system, Debian vs. NixOS won't change much | 17:48:37 |
| Las | You can set up SSH on their computer and control it entirely remotely | 17:48:44 |
 plabadens | hmm, i guess | 17:48:54 |
| Las | It's what I do for my girlfriend | 17:48:55 |
 vika (she/her) 🏳️⚧️ | In reply to @samueldr:matrix.org
if the person is not learning the underlying operating system, Debian vs. NixOS won't change much exactly! and NIxOS is rock-solid with its immutability | 17:49:03 |
| vika (she/her) 🏳️⚧️ | I actually provided a NixOS environment for my mom when her computer was misbehaving! | 17:49:25 |
| samueldr | yep | 17:49:25 |
| samueldr | you can more easily verify with a VM that changes are going to work well | 17:49:37 |
| vika (she/her) 🏳️⚧️ | I installed her favorite packages on it and she never noticed a thing or needed to ask me a single question about it | 17:49:47 |
| plabadens | but it's nice that updates can be done graphically | 17:49:47 |
| samueldr | send that update with confidence it'll work | 17:49:47 |
| vika (she/her) 🏳️⚧️ | In reply to @samueldr:matrix.org
you can more easily verify with a VM that changes are going to work well or you can just YOLO it and rollback in case something breaks | 17:50:13 |
| samueldr | in addition | 17:50:26 |
| samueldr | * in addition! | 17:50:27 |
| Las | ...just need to get them to boot the previous entry in systemd-boot | 17:50:30 |
| vika (she/her) 🏳️⚧️ | In reply to @Las:matrix.org
...just need to get them to boot the previous entry in systemd-boot oh, so NixOS doesn't integrate systemd-boot's rollback thingie? | 17:51:14 |
| Las | wdym? | 17:51:23 |
| samueldr | not yet | 17:51:23 |
| samueldr | there's work for it in a PR | 17:51:26 |
| vika (she/her) 🏳️⚧️ | In reply to @Las:matrix.org
wdym? systemd-boot can rollback to another boot entry in case of a boot failure | 17:51:44 |
| Las | oh huh, that's nice | 17:51:47 |
| plabadens | interesting | 17:51:56 |
| samueldr | hey, since not a lot of people follow on the #Tow-Boot:matrix.org channel, I might have a workaround for shutdown on RK3399 EFI-booted platforms, if anyone can and wants to test :)
https://github.com/Tow-Boot/Tow-Boot/pull/21 | 17:52:00 |
| vika (she/her) 🏳️⚧️ | where boot failure can be defined as anything that reboots a system without doing a certain thing that blesses it as a working system | 17:52:06 |
 cleverca22 | the rpi firmware also has a tryboot mechanism
where you can boot a different config, without making it the default | 17:52:10 |
| vika (she/her) 🏳️⚧️ | u-boot you mean? | 17:52:25 |
| cleverca22 | so in the event of a failure, it reverts back to the true default | 17:52:18 |
| vika (she/her) 🏳️⚧️ | or rpi config.txt specifically | 17:52:43 |
| cleverca22 | uboot covers up that tryboot mechanism, you you cant use it | 17:52:42 |
