| 23 May 2021 |
 Las | Ah | 17:47:17 |
 vika (she/her) 🏳️⚧️ | even Ubuntu which thinks of itself as a "friendly Linux" uses a beta branch of Debian for its own stable because Debian is that slow | 17:47:34 |
| Las | Isn't that still better than having to use a vendor kernel? | 17:47:34 |
 samueldr | you do get a Free SPL and U-Boot though | 17:47:35 |
 plabadens | vika: I like installing debian on other people's computers | 17:47:35 |
| vika (she/her) 🏳️⚧️ | * even Ubuntu which thinks of itself as a "friendly Linux distro" uses a beta branch of Debian for its own stable because Debian is that slow | 17:47:40 |
| samueldr | Las: yes, still way better, but something to know | 17:47:49 |
| plabadens | minimises my own work in the long run | 17:47:49 |
| vika (she/her) 🏳️⚧️ | In reply to @plabadens:matrix.org
vika: I like installing debian on other people's computers why not nixos | 17:47:57 |
| Las | Thanks for informing me | 17:47:55 |
| samueldr | compared to allwinner/rockchip where the bootrom does not verify the next boot stage, so you control it in entirety | 17:48:06 |
| Las | Why would you ever install NixOS on someone else's computer | 17:48:12 |
| Las | They'd be lost | 17:48:16 |
| plabadens | my grandfather is not learning Nix haha | 17:48:17 |
| Las | No actually it's great in that case | 17:48:26 |
| samueldr | if the person is not learning the underlying operating system, Debian vs. NixOS won't change much | 17:48:37 |
| Las | You can set up SSH on their computer and control it entirely remotely | 17:48:44 |
| plabadens | hmm, i guess | 17:48:54 |
| Las | It's what I do for my girlfriend | 17:48:55 |
| vika (she/her) 🏳️⚧️ | In reply to @samueldr:matrix.org
if the person is not learning the underlying operating system, Debian vs. NixOS won't change much exactly! and NIxOS is rock-solid with its immutability | 17:49:03 |
| vika (she/her) 🏳️⚧️ | I actually provided a NixOS environment for my mom when her computer was misbehaving! | 17:49:25 |
| samueldr | yep | 17:49:25 |
| samueldr | you can more easily verify with a VM that changes are going to work well | 17:49:37 |
| vika (she/her) 🏳️⚧️ | I installed her favorite packages on it and she never noticed a thing or needed to ask me a single question about it | 17:49:47 |
| plabadens | but it's nice that updates can be done graphically | 17:49:47 |
| samueldr | send that update with confidence it'll work | 17:49:47 |
| vika (she/her) 🏳️⚧️ | In reply to @samueldr:matrix.org
you can more easily verify with a VM that changes are going to work well or you can just YOLO it and rollback in case something breaks | 17:50:13 |
| samueldr | in addition | 17:50:26 |
| samueldr | * in addition! | 17:50:27 |
| Las | ...just need to get them to boot the previous entry in systemd-boot | 17:50:30 |
