| 5 Aug 2025 |
 pentane (DECT CYPT/2978) | i mean, I don't really have any issues with that | 19:45:01 |
| pentane (DECT CYPT/2978) | as long as the bootloader boots my kernels and initramfses, I'm happy | 19:45:22 |
 matthewcroughan @ 39c3 (DECT 94667 or 97340 or 67192) | Well even the cool devices that are coming out now like Fairphone 5 and Shiftphone 8 are running a locked "secure boot on" ABL from the OEMs | 19:45:36 |
| matthewcroughan @ 39c3 (DECT 94667 or 97340 or 67192) | rather than just being normal devices that run an open bootloader, the OEMs fork edk2 and do annoying things | 19:46:00 |
| matthewcroughan @ 39c3 (DECT 94667 or 97340 or 67192) | then lock it, and they have bugs.. those bugs then are worked around later.. yada yada | 19:46:17 |
| matthewcroughan @ 39c3 (DECT 94667 or 97340 or 67192) | There is sorta fwupd support on the Shiftphone 8 which is interesting | 19:46:48 |
| matthewcroughan @ 39c3 (DECT 94667 or 97340 or 67192) | I just worry that all the progress that gets made on these things gets dropped because it's effectively relying on 3 people to stay interested and hack on it | 19:47:09 |
| pentane (DECT CYPT/2978) | hmmmm | 19:47:16 |
| matthewcroughan @ 39c3 (DECT 94667 or 97340 or 67192) | Like Caleb who is Linaro employed and whos attention could be diverted to something else at any moment | 19:47:37 |
| matthewcroughan @ 39c3 (DECT 94667 or 97340 or 67192) | Or the two individuals working for Fairphone and Shift, who the same aplpies to | 19:47:51 |
| matthewcroughan @ 39c3 (DECT 94667 or 97340 or 67192) | * Or the two individuals working for Fairphone and Shift, who the same applies to | 19:47:54 |
| matthewcroughan @ 39c3 (DECT 94667 or 97340 or 67192) | Not enough people who actually work on this stuff, and have access to NDA'd stuff and internal knowledge out there | 19:48:09 |
| matthewcroughan @ 39c3 (DECT 94667 or 97340 or 67192) | * Not enough people who actually work on this stuff, and have access to NDA'd stuff and internal knowledge out there working on open source | 19:48:13 |
| matthewcroughan @ 39c3 (DECT 94667 or 97340 or 67192) | * Like Casey who is Linaro employed and whos attention could be diverted to something else at any moment | 19:48:30 |
| matthewcroughan @ 39c3 (DECT 94667 or 97340 or 67192) | I have an assortment of mobile devices running nixos anyway, maybe we can nerd out at nixcon :D | 19:49:44 |
| pentane (DECT CYPT/2978) | nice, looking forward to it :D | 19:49:56 |
| pentane (DECT CYPT/2978) | and lmk if you have any issues with my fork | 19:50:19 |
| pentane (DECT CYPT/2978) | would love to see it tested on some more devices other than my FP4 before Atemu and I merge it one of these days | 19:50:44 |
| matthewcroughan @ 39c3 (DECT 94667 or 97340 or 67192) | Atemu: going to WHY? | 19:51:39 |
| matthewcroughan @ 39c3 (DECT 94667 or 97340 or 67192) | Is my understanding correct that you need to be running on x86 in order to build android? | 19:57:53 |
| matthewcroughan @ 39c3 (DECT 94667 or 97340 or 67192) | And that native arm64 toolchains don't exist? | 19:58:00 |
| pentane (DECT CYPT/2978) | Afaik yes | 19:58:07 |
| matthewcroughan @ 39c3 (DECT 94667 or 97340 or 67192) | It's so crazy that google depends on that lol | 19:58:17 |
| matthewcroughan @ 39c3 (DECT 94667 or 97340 or 67192) | Such cruft | 19:58:23 |
| pentane (DECT CYPT/2978) | have you ever tried to read git-repo source code? ,-, | 19:58:40 |
| pentane (DECT CYPT/2978) | I have, and I ended up just testing the cases I was interested in instead of trying to understand it | 19:58:58 |
|  @samueldr:matrix.org left the room. | 19:59:06 |
| pentane (DECT CYPT/2978) | in repo2nix, I resorted to just implementing a non-cursed subset of the git-repo features | 19:59:57 |
| matthewcroughan @ 39c3 (DECT 94667 or 97340 or 67192) | You cannot be the only one | 20:00:07 |
| matthewcroughan @ 39c3 (DECT 94667 or 97340 or 67192) | it's clearly dying | 20:00:09 |
