| 12 Aug 2021 |
 @kraftnix:matrix.org | if you look at the source for bud you can see what the command does, it honestly makes me life 10x easier rather than having to type out boilerplate all the time, it aims to just wrap nix and provide good defaults for the devos project. it's also good to learn what the commands actually do under the hood tho, so I can appreciate that. | 22:45:18 |
 ultranix | alright i'll give it a try then | 22:53:29 |
| ultranix | i just try not to bloat my configuration with thing's i dont use, so i think i removed it and a few other things like darwin | 22:53:30 |
| ultranix | i have hardly understood what's going on with the base devos configuration, but its definitely better since the digga abstraction | 22:54:48 |
 @timdeh:matrix.org | Yeah, I kinda took the risk of exposing my (lack of) skills when I first release DevOS. The hope was that the community would make it better, and it seems to have worked so far 🤞 | 22:56:22 |
| @timdeh:matrix.org | * Yeah, I kinda took the risk of exposing my (lack of) skills when I first released DevOS. The hope was that the community would make it better, and it seems to have worked so far 🤞 | 22:56:29 |
| @timdeh:matrix.org | * Yeah, I kinda took the risk of exposing my (lack of) skills when I first released DevOS 😅. The hope was that the community would make it better, and it seems to have worked so far 🤞 | 22:56:36 |
| ultranix | i think a lot of my problems have been unable to quickly adapt to all of the changes, for example flakes and reading logs and derivations are so different there as well. its hard to keep up often | 22:59:45 |
| ultranix | all of the changes within nix community | 22:59:59 |
| ultranix | so yeah, couldnt even find a stack trace that would help me with this error. that i've had for more than a month | 23:00:33 |
| @timdeh:matrix.org | Yeah the nix debugging story is probably the worst thing about the language atm | 23:01:23 |
| @timdeh:matrix.org | I was thinking it might be worth creating a sort of linter with rnix-parser that looks for common error patterns itself, instead of relying on the confusing stack trace abilities of the evaluator | 23:02:03 |
 @d4hines:matrix.org | In reply to @ultranix:matrix.org
i just try not to bloat my configuration with thing's i dont use, so i think i removed it and a few other things like darwin This is why I'm starting from scratch with a home-manager config. The DevOS config has a lot of really cool ideas, but it's got too much going on for me as a beginnner. | 23:02:05 |
| ultranix | i think yeah you do need some experience with nix to use DevOS, cant just spin it up with a first time NixOS or whatever | 23:04:19 |
| ultranix | but for nix itself, it would help a lot to move fully to flakes, and get rid of the old interface too | 23:05:50 |
| ultranix | or at least have it under legacy interface or something | 23:06:20 |
| @timdeh:matrix.org | indeed, DevOS was more of an attempt at reifying a best practice for a Nix repository. It's hard to grasp a best practice when you barely understand the rules of the game 😅 | 23:06:26 |
| ultranix | nix subcommand flake to just be nix | 23:06:33 |
| @timdeh:matrix.org | devos was essentially my 3 attempt in 3 years to bring some sanity to the structure of my Nix config | 23:06:46 |
| @timdeh:matrix.org | * devos was essentially my 3rd attempt in 3 years to bring some sanity to the structure of my Nix config | 23:06:53 |
| @timdeh:matrix.org | and I'm already thinking about what 2.0 will look like :D | 23:07:28 |
| ultranix | yeah me similarly, first attempt at using flakes was finally nixflk | 23:07:32 |
| @d4hines:matrix.org | In reply to @timdeh:matrix.org
indeed, DevOS was more of an attempt at reifying a best practice for a Nix repository. It's hard to grasp a best practice when you barely understand the rules of the game 😅 I'm not sure about this. create-react-app seems like a counter-example. So does cargo for rust. | 23:08:42 |
| @timdeh:matrix.org | true, but with nix we don't really have the toolage to make it quite so automatic | 23:09:12 |
| @timdeh:matrix.org | although I've been looking at https://github.com/jonringer/nix-template as a potential to bridge this gap | 23:09:36 |
| ultranix | flakes kind of skipped over the RFC process, pushed through without finishing it. so its in no man's land and i hear there's still several unsolved issues | 23:09:49 |
| @timdeh:matrix.org | yeah, there's a bunch of stuff people aren't happy about, but the ironic piece is that the format hasn't changed since their release. So in practice, they are quite stable 😄 | 23:10:34 |
| @timdeh:matrix.org | I think the only breaking change was when epoch was removed, and I think that happened before Eelco even merged it to nixpkgs | 23:11:47 |
| @d4hines:matrix.org | In reply to @timdeh:matrix.org
although I've been looking at https://github.com/jonringer/nix-template as a potential to bridge this gap This seems less than ideal, Imperative shell commands to manage huge boilier plate seems worse than just having less boiler plate/relying on defaults.
The best looking interface into Nix I've seen so far is DevShell. TOML file where you list the packages you need. Amazing! When I figure out how to do overlays consistently, it's going to be awesome. But I have to decide how to do them - Niv or nvfetcher or manually or something else I haven't heard of what?
| 23:13:55 |
| @d4hines:matrix.org | In reply to @timdeh:matrix.org
although I've been looking at https://github.com/jonringer/nix-template as a potential to bridge this gap * This seems less than ideal, Imperative shell commands to manage huge boilier plate seems worse than just having less boiler plate/relying on defaults.
The best looking interface into Nix I've seen so far is DevShell. TOML file where you list the packages you need. Amazing! When I figure out how to do overlays consistently, it's going to be awesome. But I have to decide how to do them - Niv or nvfetcher or manually or something else I haven't heard or what?
| 23:14:06 |
