I just went through all the discussion(a very interesting situation to wake up to) and I cannot support you on this issue or the RFC in general.

There are many discussions that cannot happen on a public level. Whether it is for a security reason or safe space reason. In the community there are minority groups that want to be able to voice thoughts and vent to people who will support them, note support and echo chamber are not necessarily the same thing.

And in many of your messages I see a lack of empathy for groups facing these problems. For example there was a goal stated that there should be an assumption of safety in public discussions. While that is an admirable goal, it is simply not true, sexism, misogyny, and queerphobia exist and make public spaces feel dangerous and harmful. Just because you haven't "seen it", doesn't mean it doesn't exist, I feel like you might not even know what to look for.

I'm sure all of you have gone through some problem or issue in the past, and did you go out and tell the entire world about it? I assume you talked to a group you felt comfortable with and thats even the goal of support groups and safe spaces.

In no way do these spaces affect transparency, someone complaining about being misgendered or experiencing sexism is not affecting technical decisions of the nix world. If they do then it makes sense to point it out, but I have seen all technical decisions and governing decisions laid out in the open.

I have then seen the point that its ok for these rooms to exist but they shouldn't be official with the nixos.org tag. But if we dropped the nixos.org tag what message does that send? That the nixos organization doesn't support these groups? That the community doesn't care about their safety? Then those places are no longer safe spaces because they aren't discoverable and given community support. There just a room somewhere in the matrix void.

Do you really HAVE to know whats going on in those rooms that have no effect on you? Sure if there are decisions based on those discussions then I see your point, but I have yet to see that happen. These rooms in no way break the goal of good faith, we are creating a safe space with community support with the faith that they will be used wisely(which they have been). You are not being accused of being an enemy or a harmful person, this isn't about us, this is about people who want a space where they are guaranteed safety to voice frustrations and ideas.

I just went through all the discussion(a very interesting situation to wake up to) and I cannot support you on this issue or the RFC in general.

There are many discussions that cannot happen on a public level. Whether it is for a security reason or safe space reason. In the community there are minority groups that want to be able to voice thoughts and vent to people who will support them, note support and echo chamber are not necessarily the same thing.

And in many of your messages I see a lack of empathy for groups facing these problems. For example there was a goal stated that there should be an assumption of safety in public discussions. While that is an admirable goal, it is simply not true, sexism, misogyny, and queerphobia exist and make public spaces feel dangerous and harmful. Just because you haven't "seen it", doesn't mean it doesn't exist, I feel like you might not even know what to look for.

I'm sure all of you have gone through some problem or issue in the past, and did you go out and tell the entire world about it? I assume you talked to a group you felt comfortable with and thats even the goal of support groups and safe spaces.

In no way do these spaces affect transparency, someone complaining about being misgendered or experiencing sexism is not affecting technical decisions of the nix world. If they do then it makes sense to point it out, but I have seen all technical decisions and governing decisions laid out in the open.

I have then seen the point that its ok for these rooms to exist but they shouldn't be official with the nixos.org tag. But if we dropped the nixos.org tag what message does that send? That the nixos organization doesn't support these groups? That the community doesn't care about their safety? Then those places are no longer safe spaces because they aren't discoverable and given community support. They're just a room somewhere in the matrix void.

Do you really HAVE to know whats going on in those rooms that have no effect on you? Sure if there are decisions based on those discussions then I see your point, but I have yet to see that happen. These rooms in no way break the goal of good faith, we are creating a safe space with community support with the faith that they will be used wisely(which they have been). You are not being accused of being an enemy or a harmful person, this isn't about us, this is about people who want a space where they are guaranteed safety to voice frustrations and ideas.

I'd like to formally request the removal of the DevOS room from the NixOS Matrix.

Sure, I've taken care of that.

I'd like to formally request the removal of the DevOS room from the NixOS Matrix.

Sure, I've taken care of that.

I'd like to formally request the removal of the DevOS room from the NixOS Matrix.

Sure, I've taken care of that.