| 18 Oct 2025 |
 K900 | If it's broken on whatever weird target you're into now, flag it as such | 03:23:51 |
 Grimmauld (any/all) | In reply to @k900:0upti.me
If it's broken on whatever weird target you're into now, flag it as such Llvm musl is what they are doing rn iirc, not that weird. Tbh I'd enjoy a gnuless system. | 06:49:22 |
 Alyssa Ross | I would like us to actually fix the underlying problems... | 07:00:23 |
 matthewcroughan @fosdem | What does postmarketOS do? | 12:19:11 |
| matthewcroughan @fosdem | They have a fully working system with very impressive amounts of software running, and I doubt they are fixing these things upstream | 12:19:40 |
| matthewcroughan @fosdem | Instead I think we need to do both fire patches off upstream and add conditionals whilst we wait for them to get merged | 12:20:09 |
| Alyssa Ross | so far the "fire patches off upstream" part seems lacking… | 12:20:27 |
| matthewcroughan @fosdem | I believe postmarketOS just applies patches and leaves it at that | 12:20:31 |
| Alyssa Ross | why is postmarketOS the point of comparison here? | 12:20:42 |
| matthewcroughan @fosdem | Actually pmos is just alpine. What foes alpine fo? | 12:20:52 |
| matthewcroughan @fosdem | * | 12:21:03 |
| Alyssa Ross | alpine submits a lot of patches upstream | 12:21:13 |
| matthewcroughan @fosdem | Why does their entire package set work on musl? | 12:21:12 |
| Alyssa Ross | because they test it with musl | 12:21:22 |
| matthewcroughan @fosdem | * | 12:21:30 |
| Alyssa Ross | remember lots of the stuff you are trying to fix does work with musl, but not with musl+llvm | 12:21:38 |
| Alyssa Ross | which nobody has ever cared about until a month or two ago | 12:21:44 |
| Alyssa Ross | (in Nixpkgs) | 12:21:49 |
| Alyssa Ross | or it does work with musl, but doesn't work with cross compilation to musl, which again isn't something anybody has generally bothered to test | 12:22:19 |
| matthewcroughan @fosdem | Okay but in this case, do you think they're shipping mesa with valgrind? | 12:22:36 |
| Alyssa Ross | easy to find out | 12:22:53 |
| matthewcroughan @fosdem | Our mesa is super heavy | 12:23:05 |
| Alyssa Ross | but I suspect probably not because Alpine tries to be small | 12:23:07 |
| Alyssa Ross | and that means less optional dependencies enabled by default | 12:23:18 |
| matthewcroughan @fosdem | Yes so I think there's a happy balance between conditionals and patches, and that not everything has to be an upstream patch | 12:23:47 |
| matthewcroughan @fosdem | like in this case valgrind is pretty heavy and maybe not all platforms should include valgrind | 12:24:04 |
| Alyssa Ross | if there's a principled criteria for that, sure | 12:24:18 |
| Alyssa Ross | but there's no fundamental reason we should include valgrind for GCC builds and not LLVM ones | 12:24:44 |
| matthewcroughan @fosdem | Sure, my discovery has highlighted two things:
- An issue with valgrind that needs to be fixed upstream
- Maybe valgrind is really heavy and we don't need it in mesa for all platforms
| 12:25:44 |
| matthewcroughan @fosdem | The reason Alpine has things working with mesa across the board is because they're compiling with less deps in general, so we're probably not going to have working musl for years unless we did the same | 12:26:24 |
