| 21 Jan 2026 |
 Randy Eckenrode | That appears to be an emulation of the machine macOS presents when using Virtualization.framework. | 12:24:22 |
| Randy Eckenrode | Presumably one could use this to run a macOS VM with a non-macOS host. | 12:24:52 |
 Ihar Hrachyshka | In reply to @khaneliman:matrix.org
anyone familiar with what changed with latest firefox{-devedition}-unwrapped on macos? lol... build went from 1h 45 min to 4 hr timeout in hydra and my local build is around 3 hours atm :S The increase in time is expected because of lto. Timeouts in hydra are not. :) is it something we should set in meta for hydra to give it more time? | 12:39:34 |
| Randy Eckenrode | Can we use LLD instead, or is it already using LLD? | 12:40:06 |
| Randy Eckenrode | I have LTO disabled for Swift because it’s extremely slow with ld64. | 12:40:28 |
| Ihar Hrachyshka | It's lld | 12:41:01 |
| Ihar Hrachyshka | --enable-linker=lld" | 12:41:26 |
| Ihar Hrachyshka | Wonder how build times compare with Linux lto. (Will have to check later, on mobile now) | 12:43:03 |
 eveeifyeve | Oh okay. So would it be best to create a custom swift program for running native linux vms locally on a apple silicon machine? | 13:01:14 |
| eveeifyeve | * Oh okay. So would it be best to create a custom swift program for running native linux vms locally on a apple silicon machine? Because UTM is only frontend only. | 13:02:02 |
 K900 | ...what | 13:02:02 |
| K900 | If you want to run a Linux VM on OSX, you can already do that with qemu | 13:02:11 |
| K900 | That's how the nix-darwin linux builders are set up | 13:02:21 |
| eveeifyeve | I am talking about natively. | 13:02:38 |
| eveeifyeve | * I am talking about natively, not QEMU. | 13:02:45 |
| eveeifyeve | * I am talking about natively (apple framework), not QEMU. | 13:02:55 |
| K900 | QEMU uses Apple frameworks under the hood? | 13:03:12 |
| K900 | It's hardware accelerated, anyway | 13:03:45 |
| eveeifyeve | Does it? Because I thought it doesn't and the reason it has performance issues.. | 13:04:27 |
| K900 | It's definitely hardware accelerated and I don't know about "performance issues" | 13:05:11 |
| K900 | Unless you mean, like, graphics, in which case the problem is very much Not That | 13:05:18 |
| eveeifyeve | Hardware accelerated, but the real question is that if it uses https://developer.apple.com/documentation/virtualization | 13:06:49 |
| K900 | Why does that matter exactly? | 13:07:25 |
| eveeifyeve | * Hardware accelerated could still mean emulated, but the real question is that if it uses https://developer.apple.com/documentation/virtualization | 13:07:27 |
| Ihar Hrachyshka | It's accelerated and performant enough, at one point I did my Linux development in a nixpkgs VM, ran kind clusters and such. | 13:07:32 |
| eveeifyeve | https://determinate.systems/blog/changelog-determinate-nix-384/#why | 13:08:27 |
| K900 | And? | 13:08:57 |
 Steve | Hi there, I'm attempting to create an installation image using nix-community/nixos-generators on macOS, but I'm encountering strange issues related to my "$HOME" environment variable. When I execute nix build as a regular user, it reports that $HOME is set to "/build", which is not the case. However, when I "sudo nix build", it reports that $HOME is set to my user directory (not root?). Nevertheless, it then complains that the directory is not owned by root.
Has anyone encountered such unusual behavior before? I'm at a loss for what to do. I would greatly appreciate any insights or suggestions you may have. Thank you in advance for your assistance.
| 13:10:54 |
| K900 | I'd be really surprised if that actually works on a Darwin host tbh | 13:11:24 |
 Katalin 🔪 | sudo does not reset $HOME | 13:12:17 |
