| 19 Oct 2021 |
 eyJhb | In reply to @dminuoso:matrix.org
eyjhb: docker is absolutely horrid. It's not a "new shiny technology", it's poorly bolted on container ideas I know, but it is seen by many as "new shiny technology" and used many many places as you say :)
People also have a bad habbit of saying "docker" when they mean containers...
| 09:11:50 |
 dminuoso | eyjhb: I tend to stay clear of those folks. | 09:24:59 |
| eyJhb | dminuoso: what would you personally use to run containers, and build the FS for the containers? | 09:26:29 |
| dminuoso | I dont use containers. | 09:26:42 |
| dminuoso | The thing is, a tool should be applied to solve specific problems you have | 09:27:22 |
 Linux Hackerman | whaaaat no that can't be right! The tools are there for creating the problems! | 09:28:16 |
| dminuoso | So with containers/cgroups you're getting high amount of isolation, giving you a cheaper form of virtualization. But that comes at the cost of making networking a bizarre problem now. | 09:29:23 |
| Linux Hackerman | (/s just to be sure) | 09:29:34 |
 Alyssa Ross | No more complex than with virtualization though, surely? Like presumably you can just use a veth or something? | 09:30:29 |
| dminuoso | qyliss: Well you have a bunch of intrarelated problems now, because you're still sharing the same kernel. How do you manage IP space, routing, firewalling, etc? | 09:31:31 |
| Alyssa Ross | isn't that scoped to network namespace? | 09:31:44 |
| dminuoso | With proper virtualization it's not a big deal, since these problems are manageable from inside the virtualization boundary | 09:31:53 |
| dminuoso | qyliss: Maybe? There's just a lot of missing tooling outside of k8s. | 09:33:22 |
| dminuoso | Im sure you can manually construct routing and firewalling | 09:33:41 |
| Alyssa Ross | What tooling would you need that wouldn't be equivalent to doing it in a VM though? | 09:33:50 |
| dminuoso | qyliss: With VMs you can go as far as connecting your VMs directly into EVPN powered VXLANs. | 09:34:29 |
| dminuoso | Depending on hypervisor capabilities | 09:34:33 |
| dminuoso | I mean yeah perhaps you can do this sort of thing by hand if you manually configure your frr to do the EVPN side, and manually put containers into macvlans, | 09:36:45 |
 toonn | I have Avahi set up with allow-point-to-point. And I have two POINTOPOINT interfaces, one of which supports MULTICAST. But I can't seem to resolve Avahi domains (xyz.local) across these interfaces. Should I expect this to work? I haven't set up any reflectors yet because I'm not sure it's a good idea to have a reflector on each end of these (parallel) POINTOPOINT links. | 10:57:11 |
| 20 Oct 2021 |
|  lourkeur (Nix OwO) set a profile picture. | 09:11:29 |
| lourkeur (Nix OwO) changed their display name from Louis Bettens to lourkeur (Nix OwO). | 11:19:37 |
| lourkeur (Nix OwO) changed their profile picture. | 13:05:53 |
| lourkeur (Nix OwO) changed their profile picture. | 13:09:34 |
 ElvishJerricco | Hm. Why isn't my system getting dns... | 19:44:38 |
| ElvishJerricco | Oh, lul, wrong ethernet cable | 19:46:52 |
| 21 Oct 2021 |
| eyJhb | Wish my ISP would figure out why my IPv6 isn't working. Maybe it's the same thing... :( | 09:13:05 |
 hexa | need to upgrade to business contract for proper support | 09:46:09 |
|  balsoft set a profile picture. | 13:42:22 |
| eyJhb | It's a small company, so the only one that could do all the stuff is the CEO, who was currently doing a certificate or something. But it works now! :D They have changed how they do their entire setup | 16:52:31 |
| eyJhb | Unsure if it's for the better. | 16:52:36 |
