| 29 Jun 2025 |
 K900 | I don't think we should ship them on the minimal image though | 15:03:53 |
| K900 | People with fancy VPN setups probably want the graphical anyway | 15:04:02 |
 hexa | we shouldn't ship them on graphical either | 15:04:13 |
| hexa | the images are too big already lmao | 15:04:29 |
 emily | I'm git blameing | 15:04:35 |
| emily | I will have answers soon | 15:04:38 |
| emily | currently I am in 2015 | 15:05:08 |
| emily | I think it's fine for graphical fwiw | 15:05:56 |
| hexa | the graphical iso is close to 4 GiB | 15:06:21 |
| hexa | and the minimal is already around 1.7 GiB | 15:06:41 |
| emily | the graphical ISO already has two WebKitGTKs :P | 15:07:13 |
| emily | and always will have at least one | 15:07:15 |
| emily | that's not changing, it's a hard dependency of GNOME | 15:07:26 |
| emily | anyway, I'm arriving at things like fb5a616b020b9a769021add02379a431ea507a83 | 15:07:31 |
| emily | I do not think this list is any kind of upstream recommendation | 15:07:37 |
| emily | I doubt it is comprehensively all the upstream maintained plugins either | 15:07:43 |
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| emily | NetworkManager-openconnect is part of the GNOME org on the GitLab, not the NetworkManager one | 15:08:49 |
| emily | I suspect that these plugins should move to the GNOME and Plasma configs in line with upstream recommendations for both | 15:09:04 |
| emily | and not be part of the NM module | 15:09:09 |
| emily | I assume Plasma probably has a list of recommended NM packages | 15:09:16 |
| emily | it also does not seem like other distros ship that OpenConnect plugin by default | 15:09:47 |
| emily | I see no upstream recommendations about plugins | 15:09:59 |
| emily | The default value and the number of available plugins is distro-specific. See the section called “Plugins” below for the available plugins. Note that NetworkManager's native keyfile plugin is always appended to the end of this list (if it doesn't already appear earlier in the list). | 15:10:20 |
| emily | from the NetworkManager.conf official docs | 15:10:30 |
| K900 | https://community.kde.org/Distributions/Packaging_Recommendations does not mention NM whatsoever | 15:10:33 |
| emily | https://www.networkmanager.dev/docs/api/1.40/NetworkManager.conf.html#settings-plugins and the list does not include any of that stuff | 15:10:39 |
| emily | I would maybe keep OpenVPN and just kill the rest | 15:11:41 |
| emily | but it would be good to see what e.g. Ubuntu ship | 15:11:46 |
| emily | oh FFS | 15:12:42 |
