| 29 Jun 2025 |
 emily | it may be that we want to ship support for some of this on the ISO still | 18:47:48 |
| emily | like it may be useful to be able to use OpenVPN on the ISO or such | 18:47:56 |
 hexa (clat on linux when) | don't think the iso is relevant here | 18:47:59 |
| hexa (clat on linux when) | existing users are | 18:48:06 |
| emily | mhm | 18:48:14 |
| hexa (clat on linux when) | it's fine to not provide vpn protocols on the iso | 18:48:27 |
 ElvishJerricco | question: When you remove plugins like these, and NM was managing connections using them, will NM delete them now that the plugins are gone? Or will they just be dead state that continues to work once you re-add the plugin you were using? | 18:48:30 |
| hexa (clat on linux when) | so unstable breaking changes thread is the best bet | 18:48:35 |
| emily | well, unfortunately NetworkManager configuration is not tracked by Nix, so we can't actually detect anything :p | 18:48:38 |
| ElvishJerricco | If NM deletes that stuff then this is a problem | 18:48:40 |
| emily | my guess is the latter, but someone should test. | 18:48:45 |
| hexa (clat on linux when) | testing | 18:48:50 |
| emily | I think being able to do WireGuard at least is useful. but I guess that's built in to NM? | 18:49:02 |
| hexa (clat on linux when) | useful but not required | 18:49:16 |
| hexa (clat on linux when) | yes, looks built-in | 18:49:41 |
| hexa (clat on linux when) | which makes sense, since the kernel provides everything necessary | 18:49:55 |
| emily | like in particular I think there's few tradeoffs to make minimal offline-installable | 18:50:13 |
| hexa (clat on linux when) | * which makes sense, since the kernel provides everything required | 18:50:17 |
| emily | there's no worrying about diverging from the suggested package sets of desktop environments or whatever | 18:50:23 |
| emily | it just means things like shipping stdenvNoCC which is not big and a copy of Nixpkgs which we probably want for nix-shell/nix run anyway (although that one is more of a trade-off certainly) | 18:50:49 |
| hexa (clat on linux when) | Never knew that offline installable had been a constraint | 18:50:58 |
| emily | for the graphical installer, it is already so big and users generally only want to install one half of it | 18:51:02 |
| emily | so it is less realistic to expect offline installs there | 18:51:09 |
| ElvishJerricco | (it's a new fixation of mine) | 18:51:11 |
| emily | well it actually doesn't work at all right now | 18:51:16 |
