| 23 Jul 2021 |
 David Arnold (blaggacao) | (starting with a typeform-style experience to seed that tree) | 04:04:16 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | It depends on the length and familiarity of that list. | 04:04:49 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | And type-form style seeding might bootstrap familiarity in a psychologically intriging way. | 04:05:22 |
 davidak | In reply to @matthewcroughan:defenestrate.it
So we have to do the impossible, and make the world's first fully competent visual programming system that normal users can use to great effect. can you imagine apple making macOS such a system? they never will, for a good reason | 04:05:23 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | Imagina a blank screen with just a few options in light gray. You start from there and things pop up as you advance and get more proficient. | 04:06:36 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | And before you notice, you start writing nix scripts on some leaves. | 04:07:05 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | And that's the point where you jump and learn nix proper. | 04:07:19 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | (and a elegant apply button in some corner, that does just that to your system) | 04:07:58 |
| davidak | In reply to @blaggacao:matrix.org
And type-form style seeding might bootstrap familiarity in a psychologically intriging way. do you have an example of such a system? i can't really imagine how that should work | 04:08:03 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | Well for the really mass user the important things are actually not a lot:
- email, timezone, keyboard, location, name.
| 04:08:47 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | (that's probably it, of course missing some, but the list won't be too long) | 04:09:12 |
| davidak | yes. and that's done in install and onboarding dialogs | 04:09:43 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | In reply to @davidak:matrix.org
yes. and that's done in install and onboarding dialogs Type form is just one of those best dialogue experience that I know of. | 04:10:18 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | * Type form is just one of those best dialogue experience that I know of. That's why I cited it, as a dialogue experience | 04:10:40 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | * Type form is just one of those best dialogue experience that I know of. That's why I cited it: as a dialogue experience. | 04:10:48 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | It might even be smart to do the whole thing on a web page. Simplifies distribution. | 04:11:27 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | * It might even be smart to do the whole thing on a web page / service. Simplifies distribution. | 04:11:37 |
| davidak | you mean https://www.typeform.com/ ? | 04:11:42 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | Yeah, exactly this 🙂 | 04:12:02 |
| davidak | yeah, that's great. but it's a website | 04:12:11 |
| davidak | i want a native gui | 04:12:26 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | In reply to @davidak:matrix.org
i want a native gui Is that the best answer to the motives that we have shared so far?🤕 | 04:14:02 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | I'm not entirely convinced. | 04:14:17 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | A web page could even be some kind of native web application that you can fill in on a phone | 04:14:36 |
| davidak | In reply to @blaggacao:matrix.org
It might even be smart to do the whole thing on a web page / service. Simplifies distribution. you think again about technology and make compromises to user experience. | 04:14:47 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | And have your system config command generated for you. | 04:14:53 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | In reply to @davidak:matrix.org
you think again about technology and make compromises to user experience. I would reject this observation. I don't think it's true. Maybe we are misunderstanding though. | 04:15:23 |
| davidak | maybe. i don't really like this conversation | 04:16:26 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | Imagine to go to a link, fill in a form and then be told a command that you have to execute like curl your personal ling | bash. To get one started. | 04:16:40 |
| David Arnold (blaggacao) | In reply to @davidak:matrix.org
maybe. i don't really like this conversation Oh then we should stop 😎🙂 | 04:16:59 |
