| 26 May 2024 |
 avocadoom | What have I missed? | 08:40:38 |
| avocadoom | In reply to @nat418:matrix.org
when is the next meeting? 5th of June | 08:41:25 |
| avocadoom | 9pm CET | 08:41:35 |
 nat-418 | per the concerns of samueldr and hexa I have a PR that does what I think is actually reasonable here: https://github.com/NixOS/nixos-homepage/pull/1441 | 08:49:37 |
| nat-418 | I am willing to add in the other stuff other people wanted, but I think it would be good to reflect on whether or not all that is actually needed | 08:49:58 |
| avocadoom | So removing Reddit is a thing that was mostly agreed on, Discord was discussed but not really agreed on, but why did you remove Mastodon, Twitter and stack overflow? The discussion came up with a better solution there | 09:02:12 |
| nat-418 | In reply to @avocadoom:avocadoom.de
So removing Reddit is a thing that was mostly agreed on, Discord was discussed but not really agreed on, but why did you remove Mastodon, Twitter and stack overflow? The discussion came up with a better solution there The Mastodon, Twitter, and Stack overflow links aren't really communities but just like hashtags or search results | 09:12:50 |
| nat-418 | SO in particular is in a deep downward spiral | 09:13:05 |
| nat-418 | Twitter link doesn't work anymore since Musk API changes | 09:13:21 |
| nat-418 | and mastodon is just a hashtag | 09:13:32 |
| nat-418 | I don't think people need to be told that they can search the word "nixos" on SO or lookup a hashtag. I don't see any value-add | 09:14:27 |
| nat-418 | * I don't think people need to be told that they can search the word "nixos" on SO or lookup a hashtag on X . I don't see any value-add | 09:14:41 |
| nat-418 | I am planning to add back some of the "unofficial" stuff later but I need to take my kid to the playground | 09:15:14 |
| nat-418 | I basically un-drafted the PR so I could get feedback | 09:15:32 |
| avocadoom | In reply to @nat418:matrix.org
I don't think people need to be told that they can search the word "nixos" on SO or lookup a hashtag on X . I don't see any value-add The issue suggested maybe switching the hashtags for the Nixos profiles | 09:24:39 |
 garbas | In reply to @avocadoom:avocadoom.de
So removing Reddit is a thing that was mostly agreed on, Discord was discussed but not really agreed on, but why did you remove Mastodon, Twitter and stack overflow? The discussion came up with a better solution there Reddit links stays as do other unofficial links. We will mark them as unofficial. | 09:56:43 |
| garbas | * Reddit links stays as do other unofficial links. We will mark them as unofficial and make it obvious what is moderated and what is not. | 09:57:19 |
| garbas | A community in the eyes of marketing is different what community is in the eyes of moderation. We need to show and will where different parts of the community are. There are definitely problems with nixos reddit, but if anybody thinks unlinking them from nixos org will solve the problem they are wrong. We have already more than half a year of evidence to support this. Unlinking to nixos reddit should not be the first step and right now new users receive more support there than anywhere else. Especially for those who are regulars on that platform. | 10:02:40 |
 @qyliss:fairydust.space | I've never heard of a marketing team before that doesn't care at all about brand image in the way that this one seems not to. Usually marketers are very careful about what gets associated with their brand. | 10:05:40 |
| avocadoom | I personally cannot accept the accusation that I am not making an effort to improve the image of the board... This is just a brutally heated discussion and getting everyone to a conclusion is just not that easy | 10:34:35 |
| @qyliss:fairydust.space | Sorry, that's not what I meant. | 10:35:03 |
| avocadoom | * I personally cannot accept the accusation that I am not making an effort to improve the image of the brand... This is just a brutally heated discussion and getting everyone to a conclusion is just not that easy | 10:35:30 |
| @qyliss:fairydust.space | What I meant was that definitive statements like locking the issue, definitively saying "Reddit links stays" when that doesn't even seem to be consensus among members of the team, etc. create this impression of the team. I did not mean that I think this is what the members of the team actually personally think. | 10:39:03 |
| @qyliss:fairydust.space | (and I wanted to bring up long-term brand image because I haven't seen it given much focus in discussion so far) | 10:45:14 |
 djacu | These ad hominem are not helpful, and only hurt members of the marketing team and sow division into the greater community.
The subreddit has 25k members and many people feel welcome, receive help, and bring up the next generation of users. The same is true of the discord. People find their own space that fits them best. I don't think we should remove links to those communities because of a handful of bad actors.
If you have issue with a post or user of one of those spaces, go message the moderators of that space. | 15:25:02 |
 hexa | But that is precisely the issue, reddit is essentially unmoderated terrain. | 15:29:15 |
| hexa | * But that is precisely the issue, /r/nixos is essentially unmoderated terrain, so there is no recourse. | 15:29:31 |
| djacu | The moderators of r/nixos have removed posts when brought to their attention. | 15:32:26 |
 @janik0:matrix.org | In reply to @djacu:matrix.org
The moderators of r/nixos have removed posts when brought to their attention. It honestly doesn't seem like that, I can go onto r/nixos and easily find >10 posts/comments with anything from personal harassment to straight up hateful comments toward minorities. The only post that I'm aware that was removed was by a reddit auto-moderation action. | 15:43:57 |
| @janik0:matrix.org | And honestly, it is really bad that we are at a point where "just a few hateful comments here and there" just get's accepted like it's nothing. | 15:45:58 |
