In reply to @matthewcroughan:defenestrate.it
Who defines reproducible anyway? I couldn't spot a definition on that page

In reply to @matthewcroughan:defenestrate.it

I had a talk at FOSDEM with some people from the Arch community, and they brought up some pretty good topics.

Can we just examine what the Arch community fosters for a moment? Lol.

Are Arch people particularly polite such that we should be learning something from them?

Please, let's not make statement like those. I think we ought to be the bigger person in those situations, I believe we have a great community and that's why I am hopeful we can do better. Let's treat them with respect, no matter what our previous experiences were (they might not be representative of their community, they might be changing, etc.) as we would like to have for us too.

In reply to @bjth:matrix.org
It's also quite true we currently don't recognize other distros/projects, like raitobezarius says. We could give them shoutouts on social media when they achieve something. But then again, the socials a.t.m. seem to attract people that are already somewhat involved with Nix.

Moreover, to me, as a NixOS developer, I benefit a lot of the work from other distributions such as Gentoo, Debian or even Archlinux.
For example, the upcoming LLVM16 had a lot of breakage with a lot of packages, who is doing the work to fix upstream? https://bugs.gentoo.org/870412 ; Gentoo is spearheading.

We are going to benefit from this and I do not want to make it look like we "fixed" everything because NixOS is amazing, etc. Yes, NixOS can do a lot of incredible things, but also because we are building all together even if we do not see it "directly".

Foxboron for example is working on https://github.com/golang/go/issues/57120 -- true, bit to bit reproducibility is hard, but this is going to benefit us in the end, we are going to say we have bit to bit reproducibility for Go, but it's a Archlinux developer who has been driving this change.

Let's empower everyone in the Linux distribution community, this is also a very sustainable fashion to draw people to NixOS, other than just simply "oh, but Nix" in every discussion. We can explain what we do and our struggles. I also had many situations where explaining honestly our challenges and how do we benefit from other distribution made the person interested into NixOS.

In reply to @raitobezarius:matrix.org

Moreover, to me, as a NixOS developer, I benefit a lot of the work from other distributions such as Gentoo, Debian or even Archlinux.
For example, the upcoming LLVM16 had a lot of breakage with a lot of packages, who is doing the work to fix upstream? https://bugs.gentoo.org/870412 ; Gentoo is spearheading.

We are going to benefit from this and I do not want to make it look like we "fixed" everything because NixOS is amazing, etc. Yes, NixOS can do a lot of incredible things, but also because we are building all together even if we do not see it "directly".

Foxboron for example is working on https://github.com/golang/go/issues/57120 -- true, bit to bit reproducibility is hard, but this is going to benefit us in the end, we are going to say we have bit to bit reproducibility for Go, but it's a Archlinux developer who has been driving this change.

Let's empower everyone in the Linux distribution community, this is also a very sustainable fashion to draw people to NixOS, other than just simply "oh, but Nix" in every discussion. We can explain what we do and our struggles. I also had many situations where explaining honestly our challenges and how do we benefit from other distribution made the person interested into NixOS.

The lobste.rs thread has a lot of discussion, and as a direct reply to Raito is:

Arch is fantastic

In reply to @matthewcroughan:defenestrate.it
Who is it that is denying the work of others? I haven't done that, and I don't see others doing that.

In reply to @raitobezarius:matrix.org
"#shuddausednix" to a rant on Archlinux is saying "heh, you are using a bad distribution, you wouldn't have this issue with NixOS", at least, for Archlinux developers

In reply to @matthewcroughan:defenestrate.it
Just last night it actually convinced someone to join the Matrix, and they've been wanting to convert to Nix.

In reply to @matthewcroughan:defenestrate.it
I like it. I think it's good marketing. I'm sorry if you don't like it, or think otherwise. We can have a difference of opinion here.

In reply to @matthewcroughan:defenestrate.it
I like it. I think it's good marketing. I'm sorry if you don't like it, or think otherwise. We can have a difference of opinion here.

In reply to @matthewcroughan:defenestrate.it
I'm not going to discuss it any more in public in case it upsets. So feel free to PM me about it.