In reply to @gdesforges:matrix.org
Good thanks 👍 I don't know about lobste.rs so that's why I'm asking

In reply to @matthewcroughan:defenestrate.it
So it's not surprising to me, that Nix would be shilled, or appear a lot, even in comment sections on lobste.rs, considering the amount of people on lobste.rs that use Nix.

I tend to agree with raitobezarius that the Nix community has the tendency to be pretty "in your face"—if I may use the term people tend to describe my music with—. This definitely isn't something that bothers everyone, but for people that are looking form the outside, it looks hostile at times. I had a talk at FOSDEM with some people from the Arch community, and they brought up some pretty good topics.

1. We tend to use the term reproducible incorrectly. https://reproducible-builds.org/
2. We also seems tempted to directly jump into a defensive position, which makes it look as if we don't care about the other side

I tend to agree with raitobezarius that the Nix community has the tendency to be pretty "in your face"—if I may use the term people tend to describe my music with—. This definitely isn't something that bothers everyone, but for people that are looking form the outside, it looks hostile at times. I had a talk at FOSDEM with some people from the Arch community, and they brought up some pretty good topics.

1. We tend to use the term reproducible incorrectly. https://reproducible-builds.org/
2. We also seems tempted to directly jump into a defensive position, which makes it look as if we don't care about the other side
3. We seem to be everywhere. 😛

I don't know a solution to this, but I think it's safe to assume we should provide a welcoming place for people looking at the Nix community for the first time. And honestly, I think the Discourse forum already is that place.

I tend to agree with raitobezarius that the Nix community has the tendency to be pretty "in your face"—if I may use the term people tend to describe my music with—. This definitely isn't something that bothers everyone, but for people that are looking form the outside, it looks hostile at times. I had a talk at FOSDEM with some people from the Arch community, and they brought up some pretty good topics.

1. We tend to use the term reproducible incorrectly. https://reproducible-builds.org/
2. We also seems tempted to directly jump into a defensive position, which makes it look as if we don't care about the other side
3. We seem to be everywhere. 😛

I don't know a solution to this, but I think it's safe to assume we should provide a welcoming place for people looking at the Nix community for the first time. And honestly, I think the Discourse forum already is that place.

Fixing the "people are too forward" problem on other platforms is almost impossible to avoid. But we can make sure that when people look at Nix, they see the friendly community we are.

I had a talk at FOSDEM with some people from the Arch community, and they brought up some pretty good topics.

Can we just examine what the Arch community fosters for a moment? Lol.

We tend to use the term reproducible incorrectly. https://reproducible-builds.org/

I don't think we do. There are just two ways it is meant:

1. Extensional (Input Addressed)
2. Intensional (Content Addressed)

Nix supports both! They are both methods of achieving reproducibility, as far as I am aware. You don't need bit-for-bit reproducibility to achieve behavioral reproducibility, which is something Nix proves every day. Bit-for-bit reproducibility may not be fully achievable given that a lot of compilers don't produce deterministic output.

In reply to @matthewcroughan:defenestrate.it
Who defines reproducible anyway? I couldn't spot a definition on that page

As far as I'm aware there's a million definitions, which doesn't help. But the reproducible builds initiative shares that name. At FOSDEM someone told me they were confused if Nix was part of that or not.

We're also kind of ignoring some people's work at trying to get Nix into that project. Which doesn't help.

In reply to @matthewcroughan:defenestrate.it
And at the same time, that "Oh, but Nix" is what makes them take a second look.